31 - How to Support Your Hormones in Postpartum Recovery and Beyond (Guest: Ashley Rocha, Herbalist and CEO of LadyWell)

In this powerful and refreshingly real episode of Doula Talk: Postpartum, Babies, and the Battle for Sleep, Deb sits down with herbalist and hormone health expert Ashley Rocha, CEO and founder of Ladywell, to talk all things postpartum hormones—and wow, is it a ride.

Ashley opens up about her own long, painful journey through PMDD, mood swings, and hormonal imbalance—an all-too-common experience brushed off by mainstream medicine. What started as personal healing became Ladywell, a line of thoughtfully formulated herbal supplements for women in every life stage: from fertility to postpartum to perimenopause and beyond.

Together, Deb and Ashley break down the postpartum hormone crash, why “mom rage” and mood swings are biologically rooted (not just “in your head”), and how herbal support can be a total game changer when you’re feeling depleted, disconnected, or just plain exhausted. They talk adaptogens, essential nutrients, magnesium sprays, and why understanding your cycle might just save your relationships (and your sanity).

Whether you’re deep in the fourth trimester, prepping for baby, or wondering if those hot flashes at 42 are a thing (spoiler: they are), this episode is filled with practical wisdom, body literacy, and seriously validating support.

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Chapters

• 2:00 The Journey to Ladywell: A Personal Story
• 3:01 Understanding Hormonal Health and PMDD
• 4:46 Postpartum Challenges and Hormonal Changes
• 7:46 Herbal Solutions for Hormonal Balance
• 10:44 The Role of Nutrition and Supplements
• 13:45 Navigating Birth Control and Hormonal Recovery
• 14:35 Navigating Birth Control Choices
• 16:02 Understanding Hormonal Health Across Life Stages
• 18:40 Perimenopause: Symptoms and Solutions
• 20:39 Crafting Effective Herbal Formulas
• 22:32 Real-Life Transformations Through Supplements
• 24:28 Recognizing and Addressing Hormonal Imbalances
• 28:21 Proactive Health: The Importance of Tracking and Supplements
• 30:27 LadyWell 20% off Code
• 31:48 Wrap up!

Transcript

Deb (00:00)
thank you so much for being here, Ashley. I'll let you go ahead and introduce yourself and what you have brought for us today.

Ashley (00:10)
Thank you so much for having me. So I'm Ashley Rocha, the founder and CEO of Ladywell. Ladywell is really a mission driven company. I started it a few years back. I started formulating it a long time ago. This is all due to my own hormonal health journey. So that's why I started Ladywell in the first place. I was thrown into this cycle of just like these intense mood swings and

really bad periods since the moment I went through puberty. So it was about like one week a month that was taken down, one week a cycle that was taken down with mood swings, quick to anger, painful periods. I was taking about 20 Advil a day. Whenever I went to the doctor, they would tell me, know, take more Advil or they'd say, wow, that doesn't seem like the right solution, but I did.

Deb (00:54)
You're like, I'm maxed out, man.

No.

Ashley (01:01)
They prescribe hormonal birth control, of course, that's what they do. I took birth control, but...

Deb (01:04)
Of course, yeah.

Ashley (01:07)
I tried a lot of birth controls and none of really were that great. They all had their own side effects. Or they would give me SSRIs for the mood swings. I knew I wasn't depressed because the mood swings of depression would go away when my cycle or my period began. So I knew that wasn't the solution. And there's really like, I started with this for about two decades and it was until my mid thirties when I tried to get pregnant. And this is, think a common story of a lot of women. I was trying to get pregnant and I was slow to get pregnant and I was doing all

Deb (01:11)
Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ashley (01:37)
all

the right things like basal body temperature, cervical mucus, fertility diet. And I really wanted to have a baby. So I started really looking inwards at my health and my lifestyle, piecing things together. I was studying herbalism at the time. So I knew the plant world had a lot of great solutions and plants really nurture you. And I also started working with a naturopathic doctor to dive deeper because my conventional medicine doctor really didn't help, of course.

Deb (01:40)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Mmm,

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just deal with it. Pat you on your head. Go on your way. Yeah.

Ashley (02:06)
So yeah, you know, I was just told PMS is normal. I was just part of being a woman. Yeah, just deal with it.

And at that point I was like, that's just not true. There's something off here. I started diving in and I realized I was estrogen dominant. I realized there was just hormonal imbalances and I realized I had PMDD, which for people who don't know what PMDD is, it's like PMS on steroids. It's really the emotional symptoms of PMS just really dialed up. So very intense mood swings. You can have anger, depression, anxiety. Those kinds of pieces are just

Deb (02:19)
Yeah, there's so much things. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Mmm.

Rage.

Ashley (02:45)
Yeah,

and it gets in the way of you living your life and accomplishing the things you want to do. And that was so true for me because it got in the way of my relationships, know, productivity at work and, know, fertility.

Deb (02:49)
Yeah.

probably felt awful too to

have those dips in your mood.

Ashley (03:00)
Yeah, exactly.

That's just not a way you should live. you calculate all those days that you've spent in a dark place, that's a lot of days in your life. And it's definitely avoidable if we were given the education and the tools on how to fix it. And that's a big piece of the problem. I never had education on my hormones. didn't even know what hormones were. I didn't know how to fix it, even if I did have that. I didn't have any education on fertility. of women aren't given that, we're educated in giving those

Deb (03:06)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Right?

Ashley (03:30)
tools when we're young women to set us up for success later on in our lives. Exactly, we're not told to track ourselves.

Deb (03:34)
Yeah, or to even understand what's normal. Yeah, like, if like, this is your cycle and this

is what's happening and this is like normal and it's okay. But also like, how do you support yourself around that? And when it's not normal, what do do? Go on birth control? Great. Great.

Ashley (03:45)
exactly. yeah, exactly. yes, that is exactly what we were told.

and there wasn't, when i was growing up there wasn't like tiktok and social media, so there weren't these all these like cycle syncing videos. nowadays there's more access to this information which is amazing.

Deb (03:58)
Right. ⁓

Absolutely,

which is great.

Ashley (04:05)
Right,

and there weren't brands like mine out there when I was growing up either. There weren't solutions to PMS or fertility support as much. That stuff was just kind of like deal with it.

Deb (04:12)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Ashley (04:18)
And so that's where I began Ladywell. I really, on my personal health journey, I put together as an herbalist and working with other doctors, I put together these herbal solutions that really moved the needle for me in terms of my PMDD. I eventually got pregnant with two kids. I have two babies now. And thank you. And my life changed significantly not having to deal with this hormonal roller coaster I was on and just being aware of it too, it game changer in itself.

Deb (04:31)
Mm.

Yay, congrats.

Yeah, I bet.

Yeah. ⁓

You're like, holy moly, I spent so much time going through this. Yeah. ⁓

Ashley (04:48)
Yeah, I mean, it's sad that it took me so long to get here, but this was

really my life journey, my life mission to bring Ladywell to market to help other women not have to go through these struggles later on. Because our hormones are foundational to our health and happiness. And if we treat them correctly and take care of them and nurture them, then we will ourselves be happier and we'll accomplish our goals in life, whatever they may be.

Deb (04:54)
Yeah.

⁓ Go through that. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, that's amazing. And I think you hit on a point where, you know, not only just in our health in general as women, but oftentimes the postpartum time is like overlooked completely with all those hormonal shifts. Did you are you motivated by that at all with Ladywell? Like, is there a specific herbs that are helpful during that time that you have?

Ashley (05:40)
Yes, definitely. So people with PMDD are more likely to have postpartum depression when that period of their life comes. So we're predisposition to be in a spot that can be darker than other people. But so many people struggle with postpartum. I would say mostly all the moms I know struggle with postpartum on some level.

Deb (05:50)
Makes sense.

Yeah.

Ashley (06:03)
And once again, we're not like given tools to take care of that or understand what it is. Understand your hormones postpartum is the first step. We really do focus when a woman gets pregnant on the pregnancy and the delivery. like whenever I talk to a mom that's a first time mom, it's like all she talks about is the delivery, right? Because that's what we're talking about.

Deb (06:19)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, being so nervous and I'm preparing

and I'm doing everything I can. It's a huge deal. Yeah.

Ashley (06:29)
And it totally makes sense, like your baby's coming out of your vagina, potentially.

So it is a big deal. after I've had two kids, what I realized is like, the birth is like so important. Yeah, but it's a blip. It really is what happens after. That's like the life changing experience. So yeah, so many things change.

Deb (06:40)
A blip. Yeah.

A moment, Absolutely. So many things change, yeah. Well, and that

huge hormonal crash that we have right after birth, ⁓ it's just, it's overtaking in that time.

Ashley (07:03)
Yeah,

your estrogen and progesterone, the two key reproductive hormones just drop sharply within those 24 to 48 hours. And this can trigger mood swings, like weepiness, postpartum depression in some people. And at that same time, prolactin rises. So to support milk production in your oxytocin surges, and that helps with that bonding of the baby, which helps the stress and the sleep deprivation. But so your hormones, like to my point is your hormones are just fluctuating completely. Yeah. And then more hormone change.

Deb (07:18)
Mm-hmm.

Whacked.

Ashley (07:33)
changes

happen after that and then your breastfeeding, once you stop breastfeeding, then you're gonna have hormone drops there too. So there's always gonna be like these hormonal changes that are going through your body and they can cause these reactions. And then there's also that level of you're already stressed out or you're already not getting enough sleep. So that's just going to magnify certain things. Excuse me.

Deb (07:39)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely.

What would be signs of imbalances around the postpartum time that would be like, okay, this is outside of the norm and we would need more hormonal support? What would you say those telltale signs would be?

Ashley (08:13)
Yeah, I think it's

definitely, you should definitely expect to feel different and have some signs of like a PMS type sign when you're emotional. But if there's persistent sadness or crying spells, feeling of hopelessness, overwhelm or disconnection, irritability or rage, like a guilt or shame, especially around not feeling bonded to your baby.

Deb (08:37)
Mm-hmm.

Ashley (08:38)
Those

are signs that you should talk to somebody. Like panic attacks, anxiety, if you're losing interest in activities that you enjoy. If it's going to extreme, those are signs that you should be talking to somebody about that you might have postpartum depression. Trouble sleeping, even when your baby's sleeping, extreme fatigue, like, you know, there is, we're all going to be more tired. There's going to be trouble sleeping, but if it's just to an extreme that you're noticing.

Deb (08:48)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. ⁓

Yeah, of course.

Ashley (09:08)
That's definitely a time to seek help. Before, you know, it's better to seek help earlier than later and just be on the safer side of that. Yeah.

Deb (09:08)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Would you even suggest having the herbs to support you before even knowing, just kind of get them prenatally and just have them on board? And when do you start taking them?

Ashley (09:26)
Yes.

So I

definitely say continue your prenatal through postpartum because you're being depleted of a lot from if you're breastfeeding and just in general, you need to just continue that nutrition. So continue that. And then I have a supplement called the Daily Hormone Balance and this is what I took when I was postpartum and it helps you regain hormonal balance and find that equilibrium and also helps with stress. stress is a huge piece that we're just speaking to.

Deb (09:35)
Mm.

Mm-hmm.

Mmm.

Ashley (09:58)
The daily hormone balance has adaptogens in it, like ashwagandha, and that will help you with that stress reaction, stress resilience, help you with your sleep. So I think it's really important to bring herbs that are really nurturing into your body. Like shatabari is a great one for hormone balance, also lactation, so helps with breast milk production. It's deeply nourishing adaptogen that supports the reproductive system and helps replenish your body from birth and breastfeeding.

Deb (10:14)
Hmm.

Ashley (10:28)
I like, I would recommend women put these on their registry, just so like, was there for when you need it because we're so focused on nourishing our babies and keeping our babies alive, but if we're not feeding ourselves... Exactly. And yeah, you need solid nutrition for sure, but like...

Deb (10:32)
Yeah.

rate.

Right, but how do we do that if we're not, right? Yeah.

Ashley (10:50)
Sometimes it's really hard as moms to get everything they need in. So I definitely recommend bringing in supplements. And we're not getting adapted. We're not going to eat ashwagandha. bringing those in as supplements is going be really beneficial. And work in being in. And then you just want to, your body definitely needs extra support. So you want to get yourself to that hormonal balance level. So when that stress comes in, it's not going to be such a negative reaction.

Deb (10:58)
Mm-hmm.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. A little more convenient, right? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, your body can handle it and just kind of get back to the norm. So when it comes to, I know you're an herbalist, so like, what are your favorite ones? Just the ashwagandha and then do you say it?

Ashley (11:23)
Yeah.

is such a great adaptogen. I love chastberry. sometimes is called Vitex. That is a great herb for, you know, most women at most life stages. It's great for people who have PMS or going through perimenopause, but then it's also great for hormone balance for postpartum as well, but also for fertility. So I think the piece of it is...

Deb (11:34)
Yeah.

Okay.

Mm-hmm.

Mmm.

Ashley (11:58)
making sure you have hormone balance when you're trying to get pregnant. And yeah, so you got to start there.

Deb (12:01)
Yeah, gotta start there, right? Yeah.

Ashley (12:06)
⁓ The role of fertility it takes is regulate some menstrual cycle by supporting HPO access and balance progesterone levels, which is crucial for ovulation and implantation. So you really want to make sure that you're, you know, your body for fertility and then postpartum. And Vitex is like an amazing herb just for all stages of life. That's why I like to mention it because most women benefit from it. And most women will benefit from ashwagandha as well because that's adaptogen. It's great for stress. ⁓ It lowers cortisol levels. ⁓

Deb (12:17)
Mmm.

Yeah.

Ashley (12:36)
I'm sure we all swivel from cortisol levels. Yes. So those are the ones I definitely recommend. And magnesium. Most of them are magnesium deficient and that can be easily supplemented and help you with...

Deb (12:37)
Which I, yeah. I haven't met anybody who doesn't struggle with that. Yeah. ⁓

yeah. Mm-hmm.

yeah.

Ashley (12:54)
regulate reproductive hormones, especially progesterone. It supports blood sugar balance. It reduces stress and cortisol, eases PMS symptoms. So at Ladywell, we have a spray that you just spray in the bottom of your feet before you go to bed. And since your skin's your largest organ, it sinks in through your skin. And I think it's just a nice way to get magnesium in your day because it's...

Deb (13:02)
Mm-hmm.

Ashley (13:17)
You can take a magnesium powder as well, but I noticed that if I drink that right before I go to bed, I'll just wake up and have to go pee, so it's kind of counterproductive. the spray on the feet, you can pour that oil in the bath as well, but any way you do it, magnesium's a great thing to integrate into your diet.

Deb (13:24)
Right? Gotta balance that, right?

Totally.

Yeah, that'll help with sleeping too, right? It'll help you like get a nice, yeah.

Ashley (13:38)
Oh yeah, that's why I take it. I struggle with

sleep, even though my kids are, he's 18 months old and a four year old now. I always wake up before they wake up, know, like have that mom signal up. I'm 40, so I'm pretty sure I'm in peri-mental pause years. And so sleep is something I struggle with, but when I take my magnesium, I notice a difference. I'm getting better sleep and don't wake up in the middle of the night. Whereas if I forget or just am lazy, then I will.

Deb (13:48)
Right.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I used to take a supplement right before like a drinking one too and I just after a while I just got tired of doing it So like a spray sounds like a really good idea part of your bedtime routine You could do like lotion and then just put like no feasts. It feels so good. Yeah, perfect

Ashley (14:13)
Yes, it's easy.

Okay.

Deb (14:19)
So we talked about postpartum a little bit. ⁓ How long does it usually take for the hormones runs to regulate after childbirth? I know it's like gonna be varied for people, but what would be like the average?

Ashley (14:34)
You could, I would say six months. It really depends on how long you breastfeed for. And if you're breastfeeding at all.

Deb (14:39)
Okay, that makes sense.

So then when it comes to like birth control and postpartum because at that six week checkup usually they're gonna ask you Okay, what's your birth control method? How can that impact all your hormone balance and like recovery

Ashley (14:56)
Yes, ⁓ I definitely was told like, yeah, after that's what the Irish twins are, you get pregnant right after. And it definitely would be hard on your body. ⁓ It is harder to get pregnant when you are breastfeeding, but of course not impossible.

Deb (15:04)
Right, yeah.

Not impossible, right.

Ashley (15:14)
So I didn't take birth control after that. I just did the fertility awareness method. I felt like that was the best way for me to continue my body and how I wanted to my life.

Deb (15:20)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Ashley (15:27)
Birth control is always gonna be a little bit rough on your body and really depends on who you are. It interacts with people in different ways. So some people have really negative side effects to birth control and that was my case and that's why I just chose not to take birth control in the first place.

Deb (15:34)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. So I...

Ashley (15:44)
I would say

if you are going to do a birth control, do a non-hormonal one. The non-hormonal, I think, copper IUD. think they have all of those. So it's the hormonal birth control. Yeah. Yes, yeah. So there's definitely different ways. Hormonal birth control is where you'll have more issues. And also, if you want to get pregnant through a second kid, at some point, you want to think about removing birth control, and the hormonal stuff takes a little bit longer.

Deb (15:47)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Barrier methods, right? Good old barrier methods. Yeah. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, it takes time to like, ⁓ again, get back to regulating and all of that. So I noticed your herbs don't just focus on like prenatal and pregnancy and postpartum, but also like perimenopause and beyond. Do you want to tell us a little bit more about that?

Ashley (16:30)
Yeah, so first of all, I create Ladywell as creating solutions for every life stage of our hormonal health journey, because as women, we're on a hormonal journey no matter what, and we don't have a choice. ⁓ So, you know, we all can deal with PMS, PCOS, Endo during those, you know.

Deb (16:40)
Yes.

Ashley (16:49)
earlier years of our life, and then we lead into fertility, pregnancy, postpartum, and perimenopause to menopause. So I have solutions for all these different life stages, because you have different herbs and different nutrition needs, yeah, for these different stages.

Deb (17:00)
Different needs. Yeah.

Ashley (17:04)
So we have fertility supplements so targeted to egg health, ovarian function, reproductive health, help you boost your fertility, improve your egg health. We have prenatals and then perimenopause is a really big period of woman's life that had been overlooked for decades. Like nobody cared about perimenopause at all.

Deb (17:14)
Mmm.

Huge. Yeah. Right. And it can last for

a long time, like five to 10 years or something, right? Yeah.

Ashley (17:27)
It's about 10 years. So it can begin as early

as your mid 30s, most likely begins like in your early 40s and last 10 years. And then menopause is marked by one year without your period. So once you had that, then you're officially in menopause. And perimenopause comes with a host of symptoms. Yeah.

Deb (17:35)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

girl I was having hot flashes today I was like is

it hot in here and they're like it's 67 and I'm like oh my god I'm like sweating yeah it's intense

Ashley (17:56)
Yes, and

80 % of women experience bad symptoms. And yet for years, women are told, we're told just not talk about it and put up with it, just the same thing as PMS. But there are...

Deb (18:04)
Yeah.

Right.

Ashley (18:12)
things that you can do. There's botanicals, wonderful herbs. Black cohosh is great. Cassowary wick, I mentioned before. There's a lot of great herbs that you can take to help you through perimenopause and help you with things like hot flashes, brain fog, fatigue. You'll have a good loss of interest in things. There are so many weird symptoms that can come with it that don't even feel related. There's something called frozen shoulder and your shoulder just stops working. You can all of sudden get allergies.

Deb (18:17)
Mmm.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ashley (18:42)
All of a sudden your gums will bleed. Like, you get sick more often. And I think it's important that women understand what the symptoms are so they can realize that this is perimenopause and that helps you do something about it, right? If you just all of sudden have allergies and you think that you just got allergies, you know, it's harder to take the steps.

Deb (18:45)
my gosh. Cool. This is what I'm really looking forward to this.

Yeah, yeah, well, and you support your body through that versus just suffering silently.

Ashley (19:12)
Right, and

you can eat differently for those years. You should exercise differently. You're losing muscle mass. You'll start to want to, or you should be doing more weight lifting instead of cardio if you do cardio, because cardio will spike your cortisol and that's not what you want. You need to start building muscle. And like I said, you want to take some herbs for perimenopause like black cohosh, Vitex, ashwagandha, donkwai.

Deb (19:18)
Mm.

Okay. Got it.

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (19:38)
Red clover, these are all great things to take and once again, Ladywell has crafted, like I put a lot of effort into creating formulas that really help at these specific times of your life.

Deb (19:50)
Yeah, so we don't have to do all the research. It's like so easy. That's great.

Ashley (19:53)
Yeah, yes,

exactly. you know, herbs work really well. It's called herbal synergy when they're paired together. so if pair, you know, donkwai with chaspari, it'll bring out different qualities of the herbs in different ways and it'll make formulas work better. So that's why I recommend buying formulas that are thoughtfully crafted for the stage you're at or the thing that you're trying to solve, because it'll be more effective than just going and buying, say,

Deb (20:00)
Mmm.

Hmm.

specific.

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (20:22)
red clover on your own and then just taking that because it won't have the same efficaciousness and we create formulas with the correct dosing to make sure you're getting the most of things you need.

Deb (20:34)
Mmm.

that's awesome.

Ashley (20:37)
And I definitely

believe that creating supplements that simplify your life is the way to go. When I was going on my hormonal journey, was piecing together all these different tinctures. And it was really complex, but it obviously moved the needle drastically for me, but I knew it wasn't sustainable long-term, and I knew that it would be really hard for a lot of women to do that. So that's why I created things like our daily hormone balance brings together adaptogens, vitamins, amino acids, all in one place. And so you don't have to piece together a lot of

Deb (20:54)
Yeah, long term.

Right.

Mmm.

Ashley (21:07)
and

stack them, it's all done for you. So you just take that one supplement. And a lot of supplement companies will take those things and piece them out. So you have to buy multiple supplements. So you end up spending more money. And then it's also more complicated. They don't give you enough for the right dosing. But we make sure that you don't have just a dusting of this. You have the right amount of it so it's efficacious. Yeah.

Deb (21:09)
Right.

Mm-hmm.

Right. Yeah.

Yeah.

Hmm, so it's all together.

Yeah, so it sounds like you have like herbal stuff, but also like using science and in your formulations.

Ashley (21:40)
Yes, definitely. We have a medical board that...

come from a lot different backgrounds. I want to bring together Eastern and Western medicine to create holistic formulas that pull together clinically backed data to create these formulas. So I'm using ingredients that have been proven to solve these symptoms that I'm trying to solve through clinical studies. And then pulling in doctors who have been treating patients for decades with these issues like perimenopause symptoms

Deb (21:48)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (22:13)
fertility, whatever they may be, and then crafting formulas using their expertise, the clinical data, so we know that they're efficacious. And then we're doing a consumer study on our end to, once again, support that efficacy because we just want to make sure that we want it work, we want it to be clean and pure, so our medical board helps us make sure that that's true as well.

Deb (22:13)
Yeah, based on that.

Mmm.

Yeah, you want it to work. Yeah.

Nice.

Ashley (22:39)
I

think it's just really important to have a lot of diverse viewpoints. A lot of supplement companies only look at Western medicine and just vitamins and just standard, typical stuff that we do in America. But I like to look at Eastern medicine as well, traditional Chinese medicine, Ayurveda, and just bring in that history and that wisdom there too.

Deb (22:45)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah,

yeah, because I mean, it's been around for centuries for a reason, right? Yeah, yeah. So you've helped thousands of women regain hormonal balance. Is there any particular transformation or story that stands out to you that you'd like to share?

Ashley (23:03)
Yeah, and it works too.

Yeah, know there are a few when it comes to the PMS type of stories. I hear this often that taking LadyWell has changed their relationships with their husbands. And the husband's like, yeah, the husband's are like, thank you. I've said thank you because it's improved their relationship and.

Deb (23:22)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, that's a surprising one, right? Yeah.

Hmm.

Ashley (23:40)
When your partner or whoever is in your life can tell the difference, I think that's a huge piece of it. Because for me as a person, my personal journey, I got a divorce, I'm pretty sure, because a huge piece of it was my PMDD. So I love to hear that, and I love to see that improving people's relationships. And then in terms of fertility supplements, I was just reading a review on Amazon that somebody posted that they got pregnant after using Ladywell for a couple months or a couple cycles.

Deb (23:46)
That's a huge...

Yeah.

Amazing.

Ashley (24:10)
trying for a few years. And so I've had a few of those stories too of just like successful pregnancy stories that just make me happy because I know how much when you want a baby you really want a baby.

Deb (24:12)
wow.

Yeah.

Yeah. that's so wonderful. That's so great. ⁓ So we've just blazed through all these questions ⁓ Is there anything else you want to share? think that there's just so many good supplements here. looking at your website. it's just such a broad spectrum of

Ashley (24:29)
you

Deb (24:41)
cycles that we're going through as women. ⁓ Anything you want to share?

Ashley (24:47)
I think it's important for us as women to understand the symptoms of hormonal imbalance and not ignore them.

So if you have irregular periods, some people are like, yeah, I don't get my period all the time. Might be great, but also that's a sign that there's something off in your body. And mood swings, anxiety, depression, that can all be related to your cycle. Low libido, ⁓ cramping, painful periods. just difficulty concentrating, brain fog, fatigue, these all can be signs of hormonal imbalance.

Deb (25:01)
Right.

the same.

Yeah.

Ashley (25:22)
And it's important not to ignore them because like you don't want to ignore something in your health because it will snowball and snowball and snowball and eventually become something bigger. Say you're in your 20s and we all like to ignore our health then but our 30s roll around and we want to start a family.

Deb (25:32)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Things start breaking

down.

Ashley (25:41)
if you think services are breaking down, you

go to perimenopause and your perimenopause will be worse, you wanna start a family, it just takes time to unravel these imbalances. And also you're missing out on years that you could have just not been super fit, you had that spare tire that you didn't wanna have, the excessive weight gain, whatever it is. And I think we're just kind of, as a society, women are just kind of put up with feeling just not.

Deb (25:46)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

been miserable.

Ashley (26:08)
the best all the time. Like we're just like, hey, we're supposed to feel what it is. I'm just stressed out all the time. I'm anxious all the time. Go on anti-anxiety medicine, but you should, there's things you can do that are natural that I think are important to try to do before you move to anti-anxiety medicine. Not that there isn't a place for that, but.

Deb (26:09)
Yeah, it is what it is. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Yeah,

but I think there's such power in herbal medicine that, you know, the American culture hasn't really tapped into yet. And having that simple one that's like a nice blend for that perfect time of your life is like amazing. Yeah, so like. Yes. Mm-hmm.

Ashley (26:48)
And then one other thing I'd say is track your cycle because I never did that. And I

was just always shocked every time my period came around and I was like, that's why I was in a bad mood. like, it was just like, you know, two decades of just not tracking my cycle and like every cycle being surprised. And that's just, I started tracking my cycle, I was so much kinder to myself. I planned around my cycle better.

Deb (26:59)
Yes.

It's not fun.

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (27:12)
people around me,

like I could treat them differently and alert them that my period was coming. I wouldn't like fire off that angry email. I'd like wait a beat because I no idea where I was in my second month. Yeah, it's just better to have that information, I'd say. And also, if you ever feel like you have a serious issue or something that you want to go to your doctor, you'll have so much data to bring them, you being in such a better place to make actual changes.

Deb (27:16)
Right. Yeah. Right.

right? You're like, maybe I'll wait till tomorrow on this.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. I remember when I was on birth control. I remember thinking I feel crazy right before my period because it was just such a huge shift for me I was like well I'm just crazy for three or four days and it was just something I accepted and looking back I'm like man that was terrible, but

Ashley (27:57)
you

Deb (27:58)
once I like kind of looked at my total nutrition and herbal medicine and like all this other stuff, and it got off hormones, right? That all, that all improved drastically. And now it's like, you know, I don't have, you know, I look on my little app that's tracking me and it's like, you're going to start your period soon. was like, I have been feeling a little tired. I'll just take it easy for a couple of days. A lot more kindness when you understand what's going on.

Ashley (28:20)
Yep, please.

Deb (28:25)
Yeah.

Ashley (28:25)
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Deb (28:29)
Oh, you did?

Okay.

Yeah, perfect. So I hope everybody will go check it out. If you're trying to get pregnant, if you are pregnant, if you are postpartum or you're perimenopausal, she's got it all. So like go check them out. Even if you don't know if you're feeling imbalanced, it can always improve your health, I'm sure.

Ashley (29:13)
Yes, definitely, yeah, be proactive about your health. Don't wait. It's like taking a multivitamin, like you're just trying to ensure that you're not gonna become nutrient deficient and then have bigger problems.

Deb (29:16)
Yeah, yeah. Don't wait. Well, because if you...

Yeah, yeah, well you can only ignore it until you can't anymore and it puts you out. Well, thank you so much for being here. I will put the code in the show notes and if you have anything else to share, then I think we'll wrap up. All right. Thank you so much.

Ashley (29:30)
Yeah, true.

Thank you so much for having me.